JP Boards

[Ian]

For all those JP fans that frequent this forum with their expensive Pro finish slalom boards. Just in case you thought the cost is due to the high tech carbon construction.....


http://www.surfbasar.com/forum/blog.php?b=431

[FKPhil]

Mein Surfbrett ist voller Aale

[Denis Wee]

Good old Babelfish!

Since I kann nicht sehr gut Deutsch, I thought I'd see if Babelfish could make some sense out of the German text. This is what it came out with:

<<With the slogan JP wanted to make the last years convincing for its buyers in their boards only the best materials to be blocked  Marketing stop evenly! Dear JP surfer, best does not look at it these pictures rather!!! Because they show up the naked Verarschung for all those, even still the most expensive PRO - series bought. „by the way, I have this broken board during my vacation at the beach found “ Since I geshapt during years of boards, I know in the best way as in qualitatively good board is built. Here the JP pro series facts: Polystyrene/60's Glas/3mm PVC foam/60's glass/wood/lacquer/diagram. 0% carbon!!!!!! (and with per - series)! If a manufacturer blocks such a cheap material, it would have these boards at least 30% more favorably offer! Because this building method costs some less in production with Cobra. Who looks for thus quality and performance, that becomes surely only with small series Manufacturers (Lorch, patrik diethelm, etc.…)found. Because those cannot afford such Bescheissereien. >>

No wonder they call it Babelfish!

[PlaneSailin]

Good old Babelfish!

Since I kann nicht sehr gut Deutsch, I thought I'd see if Babelfish could make some sense out of the German text. This is what it came out with:

<<With the slogan JP wanted to make the last years convincing for its buyers in their boards only the best materials to be blocked  Marketing stop evenly! Dear JP surfer, best does not look at it these pictures rather!!! Because they show up the naked Verarschung for all those, even still the most expensive PRO - series bought. „by the way, I have this broken board during my vacation at the beach found “ Since I geshapt during years of boards, I know in the best way as in qualitatively good board is built. Here the JP pro series facts: Polystyrene/60's Glas/3mm PVC foam/60's glass/wood/lacquer/diagram. 0% carbon!!!!!! (and with per - series)! If a manufacturer blocks such a cheap material, it would have these boards at least 30% more favorably offer! Because this building method costs some less in production with Cobra. Who looks for thus quality and performance, that becomes surely only with small series Manufacturers (Lorch, patrik diethelm, etc.…)found. Because those cannot afford such Bescheissereien. >>

No wonder they call it Babelfish!

Makes perfect sense to me!

[weng]

Looks like the lack of wind is leading our number 1 serial board/sail equipment trader to be a forum troll?? In any case, proof is in the leaderboards LOL

[weng]

Oh and one last thing, the world's top slalom pros get beaten by AA on a low tech 0% CARBON  board!  Woo Hoo! 

[Ian]

Ah, AA, the man that would win any race on any equipment, blimey, he even won on starboards.

Nothing wrong with the shapes, the simple fact is they are selling a low tech construction at a high tech price, smells of NP to me

[weng]

so who is gonna crack open their boards to see if it's carbon?  Hahah... end of the day, if it works, it's well worth the price eh Ian?  Demon sails were supposed to be the best what with their hand made carbon battens, light weight material and priced more than a NP RSR.  But yet.... any takers?

[Ian]

1)Let me see, when have demon sails used hand made carbon battens?

2)Which other sail loft can produce raceboard sails that wins?
UKWA Inland series 3 - Rutland water. 1st place for Mark Kay using the VG5 Ultra. With light shifty winds Mark had to work very hard to keep his 88kg frame in front of the lightweights and he did to take 1st place for the event. (3 of the top 5 sailors on Demon Design)
UKWA Cup 2 - Folkestone.1st place for Mark Kay using the VG5 Ultra. Plenty of wind saw Mark dominate the event with 6 * 1st places and a total of 6 points. Next best sailor was on 14 points. Not bad since it was blowing 12-20 knots and Mark was on his "lightwind" sail.
UKWA Inland series 2 - Derwent.1st place for Mark Kay using the VG5 Ultra. Good winds saw Mark powering round the course to take another event win.

Of course NP supply the RSX 9.5 sail, which oop's measures 9.8, yet strangely is now allowed to be used, i wonder how much influence/$$$ NP has on this?

3)Which other sail brand can boast sails made from the highest tech laminates on the planet? or is that what NP calls monofilm?

4) Which other sail manufacturer makes sails that can be used daily, yet last for years?

5) The C4 has proven ability in speed sailing being used to win the Amateur fleet at Weymouth speed week 2006 (in the hands of Simon Hinkley aka Speedsailor), and consistently place in the top ten of the whole fleet all week. The 7.5 C4 was used by Matthew Burridge to get second fastest time of the day on the 3rd of October with 29.77 Knots for the 500m.......not impressive? not really.... as a 500m time, however when you realise that Bjorn Dunkerbeck won the day with 29.88 knots only 0.11 knots faster it looks a whole lot better

6) Lets talk about price, how much is a RSR in the EU? How much is a Demon in the EU?
Maybe NP sell thier sails by weight not area


Are Demon sails for everyone, no, but at least you know what you are paying for.

I rest my case

[weng]

So Ian, what did you do with the quiver of Demon Slalom sails? 

[Ian]

Still here and still used, more so in the future as i get even older.

In fact the 9.3 was used to good effect the previous weekend out by Bedok Jetty in a NW, or did you miss it?

Ok, so one 15-20k gust the sail was a handful, but other than that speed seemed to be as fast as anything else out there and i was planing earlier than i ever could on a race sail.

Why, want a drag race RSR/JP vs Demon/Exocet?

Oh and looking at the latest video, you will need to make a gybe without getting wet 

[Bats]

ARMS WAR 

[38 mph]

So, are they easier to rig than all the other cammed race/slalom sails ?
What are the cams like  by the way ?
My Norths are a complete pig to rig (except the smaller ones).
Can you fill in the missing prices some more ?
And as for Weymouth. What I still want to know is if we are 5 knots behind Dunkerbeck in lightish winds,
will it be the same in strong winds ?!!
Damn.......

[Ian]

So, are they easier to rig than all the other cammed race/slalom sails ? Not really, but not difficult, narrower luff and you need to slide the cams onto the mast as you go. Big batten curve, so rig with battens up and not down so you dont break them.
What are the cams like  by the way ? Small and light and basic, no rollers as they are not high pressure cams
My Norths are a complete pig to rig (except the smaller ones). Must be doing it wrong, if they are with the latest roller cams, easiest sails i have rigged.
Can you fill in the missing prices some more ?  Demon prices on their website. NP RSR probably start around the GBP1k mark, oh and buy a few X9 spare masts for them as well.
And as for Weymouth. What I still want to know is if we are 5 knots behind Dunkerbeck in lightish winds,
will it be the same in strong winds ?!!  Were you 5knots behing Dunkerbeck in lightwinds? Shame on you!
Damn.......

Answers added. Need to use a size smaller in the C4's compared to usual race sails in general, soft easy pumping, but surprisingly locked in when going. Total rig weight is low to say the least.
But if you want to look trendy, forget them

[weng]

Oh and one thing Ian, is objectivity involved in opinions coming from a 'rider' for North/Exocet?