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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2008, 07:47:34 PM »

Hey thanks for bringing your comrades down here. Reminded me that I'm still a few light years behind Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2009, 07:35:47 AM »

Just an update to this thread.

I am now in my both footstraps, blasting at 20 knots wind. Bearing off is a bit scary so still polishing for faster, wider angles. Pointing upwind is good at reasonable angle & speed, i think I can takeover kiters now Cheesy. Chicken jibe is also getting better now especially on flat water, carve jibe always half way through, then either gets off plane or sail drops into water. Tack is faster, more confident. Still can't nail waterstart Sad And hopefully in near the future I can sail 3-4 hours without once falling into water.

Anyway. Just a story I'd like to share..

Being a beginner in this sport, starting basically on my own, I kinda see why this sport is very far from reach for the local guys. Promised with free lessons and all, I purchased my gear for $3000. Rubbish quality and if you ask me I'd rather go all the way to Sg and get better gear for a little bit more. But oh well, the lessons sounds like it could be worth it.

Yeah right. I was left for the next 2 months on my own, spent uphauling most of the time, basically without knowing what I'm doing wrong and nobody to comment. There is no single windsurfer out and it's very hard to just read then imagine what to do, than actually seeing it on your own.

After a while, an old local veteran turned up & happened to be very nice and helpful. Enough said, with demonstrations and a few chats, I think I've learned more in a day than what I've learned for the rest of that 2 months "lesson".

With only a few weeks under good instructions, flat water and NE wind, I got better. But just when things start to get better, there comes a new hurdle. The seller now refused to give the sail that I've already paid for. He wanted me to instead to take the rubbish 6.5 that is only good for the dustbin, which he insisted to use  in the first place "for learning". Funny thing is, I suspected that the sail is not even his, because someone mentioned it "looks just like his old sail". . Incorrect mast length resulting with under-downhaul & crap trimming, extension don't fit well, boom is real shitty, harness lines almost killed me because rubber tubing is rotten to dust (somehow got stuck under the sail in the water with harness tied to the lines), and a few more things I'm just too tired to mention about. Add to that, because I was really careful with the sail, I don't think I used it anywhere to make it anymore rubbish!

All I can do was somehow tried to beg for my promised sail nicely, which I have already friggin paid for. The result? Now I'm asked to fork out another $1000 for the sail. What did i get? Well, starts with the boom. The grips are mostly gone, boom head looks like it has another 2-3 weeks of session before it'll crack in half - really worn out, extension has K-21 label on it (obviously not his), no mast foot ( instead of the mentioning of the word SET before purchase, cost $S90 for new one), and the sail? Well let's just say if I were to fix it professionally I'd better off buying a new one.

Conclusion i get from this, coupled with the fact that the sport itself is already very unpopular, windsurfing in Malaysia & especially Kuantan is very far from becoming a favorite sport because of the lack of dedicated instructors, rubbish second hand gear, and most of the time you'll be sailing alone unless you're in a club like in Penang or KL. I think it is almost impossible for any average person to hold up with all the sh!t he'll have to go through, let alone attracted to it. Thank god I am now on a new ground, with some new friends who just happen to get back to windsurfing, one of it because they see me on the water. I hope things will really start to get better from here.

Please pardon me for the long post; just felt that I had to get this off my chest before I start my day. I don't mean to humiliate anyone, or exaggerate anything. I think you would understand my frustration if you were to be in my place. All in all I believe there will be no progress unless you’re willing to push your limits. Thanks for reading. Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2009, 07:44:28 AM »

i like your hardcore attitude towards windsurfing despite your gear problem (in S'pore, it is reversed, as we have Pro's gear but lack of wind condition)

why don't u check with Leong Soon, he has many gear and Fins (more than mahjong tiles combined) to 'sponsor'....
most of the gear in Penang are his 'offsprings'....

try to make a trip to S'pore, i'm sure u can find your ideal gear and make friends.

for a start, train hard, try to make it for the Penang Open or even S'pore open which is just 3 weeks away..

in the meantime, get your basic right and happy sailing
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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2009, 12:09:06 PM »

With all the $$ you have spent, you would have gotten yourself a decent brand new gear (boards + full rig) in Singapore.. !!!  Shocked A decent 2nd hand gear would have cost less than $1500 or even $1000 depending on how u bargained for it and of course the condition..   Wink

I suggest you should talk to PJ when he goes over to your side ( should have arrived already) . I believe he should be able to set you up with the appropriate gear.. !!

PJ, be sure to provide some status reports on Kuantan.. Good wind for you  Grin !!
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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2009, 12:17:40 AM »

Well I could go on, but that is not my point. Smiley

I think the money issue can be put aside. The sad thing is just that windsurfing community is such a small group of people, and in Malaysia it's almost at the verge of extinction. The whole experience of windsurfing lifestyle includes the joy of meeting people with the same interest, with friendly & warm environment. Having these kind of attitude is just really really really not fun. I hope I'll be the last to experience anything like this, and if there is any beginner looking for his first board I'll let him go straight to Bluefinz first. Grin
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2009, 11:05:44 AM »

I think the bonding amongst windsurfers in Singapore is largely due to the lack of wind and hence more time on land to talk kok!  Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2009, 10:20:54 AM »

I think the bonding amongst windsurfers in Singapore is largely due to the lack of wind and hence more time on land to talk kok!  Cheesy Cheesy

 Cheesy  I like that.
and when the wind pickup, you can notice the site is quiet.
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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2009, 07:00:35 AM »

Following to the post I wrote, I have got several responses, good & bad.

On the bad side, I'm just surprised why some people gets so emotional with the review I wrote. I thought I've been civilized enough not to mention any names. The whole purpose of it is sharing stories & opinions, and that's what internet forum for.

Be realistic. When, on top of all the shit you've put him through, he paid for the full set of an overpriced used sail, all carbon, but instead he gets the glass fiber one, and boom that looks like it will rot to dust in a few weeks, what do you expect? Keep quiet and accept his fate? And instead you spin things around and call him a liar? Wow

On the good side, at least now I know I'm not the first sucker in the fleet. It's just too bad for me because nobody was there to warn me about it.

My advice to all beginners like me, before you rush & trust any man to buy your second hand gear from, make sure that you have black & white of the transaction. And don't EVER, EVER deal with a known con man, however nice he looks to you.
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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2009, 11:59:43 AM »

HUMONGOUS : my sympathies, its heart rending to see this happen. on the brighter side, gear in singapore is cheaper than just about anywhere in the world, with a good selection of used gear. i go back and forth to singapore very often and would be glad to help out on small bits of gear, boards etc are pretty cheap to ship up by KTM. Give PJ a call or email him, he's usually got a selection of stuff available used etc.  i'm sorry you had to start this way, one of the best things about this sport is how open everyone is in helping out on info, technique etc.

feel free to email me on any info  you need and hope to see you in person at balok sometime soon.
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2009, 02:55:00 PM »

Hi Sukhdev. I had the honour to meet our friend PJ when he was here in Balok few days ago. In fact he brought some gear I ordered like mast foots, tendons. Very nice chap. And the nicest thing about it, the iSonic 111 you rode on is now in my hands Wink
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« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2009, 12:07:16 PM »

Sorry to hear about your being ripped off like that.  Shame on whoever sold you that crappy old used gear, knowing you were keen but inexperienced.  But why did you pay so much for it in the first place?  With 15 minutes of research on the internet, you should have realised that it was a ripoff. 

You can't even give away old sails like that these days.  Try asking $3000 for a full set of 2007 gear! Nobody would buy it. 

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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2009, 01:26:21 AM »

More like $1300 in SGD actually. Comparing with Sg used market, the whole thing probably worth less than $500sgd.
It's more like a courtesy purchase, an unwritten contract of friendship.
Still, I didn't get what I paid for.
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