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Denis Wee
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« on: April 16, 2008, 09:58:58 AM »

Windsurfing is easy. You can learn it in two 3-hour sessions. If learning to windsurf is so easy then why do so many people give it up after the beginner's lessons?  I have taken a long, hard, critical look at the way windsurfing is taught and have put my thoughts into a blog here -  www.deniswee.net/LearnWindsurfing/
If you think that most of what I have written is provocative, well, it is meant to be!
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2008, 11:28:18 AM »

Hi Dennis

Based on my observation and coaching my daughter. Is actually not easy to fall off if the learner is on a stable platform ( wide board and non slippery deck ) . Choice of 1st board should hv a daggerboard.  If they have good success from the start , they will enjoy the sport and come back for more .  However to progress from  learning to actual sailing in harness, you need the right person to guide you. For me I am glad Thye Hock have helped me  till today.

Talked to Ken Choi from HK. He says sports like windsurfing, Dragon boat , Wakeboard... is more like a in sport.  We like to be seen on MTR or walking around  with a paddle or a wake/kite board . For a start we should bring the harness home to create our own identity. 

Looking forward to use the Tandem to get my daughter thrilled in sailing without the frustrations of  shouting and falling .

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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2008, 10:19:15 PM »

Afew reasons why the do not come back for more..

I figured is not the learning thats tough.. Its the few reason below..

Price of the equipment they have to pay for after graduating from the beginner stuff they learn on.. We all know its not cheap.. Seriously..

The kind of conditions we are having..

The adrenaline rush they do not feel on the beginner board.. 

Theres not enough publicity on Windsurfing..
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2008, 12:19:44 AM »

Afew reasons why the do not come back for more..

I figured is not the learning thats tough.. Its the few reason below..

Price of the equipment they have to pay for after graduating from the beginner stuff they learn on.. We all know its not cheap.. Seriously..

The kind of conditions we are having..

The adrenaline rush they do not feel on the beginner board.. 

Theres not enough publicity on Windsurfing..


Singapore is one of the cheapest place on earth for windsurf equipment. Lots of good 2nd hand around under $800.  Saw Uncle Richard and gang salvage the One-Design board to use. IMHO those are the best board to start learning to sail in the harness. The adrenaline rush comes when you are planning ( not necessary going fast )  in the harness.
That's how I was hooked since 95.

Let's create more awareness/publicity by bringing our harness home. 
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2008, 12:25:52 AM »

Mistral 1D.. Hahaha..
Ive got so much stuff to learn on that board.. Lol..

Bring Your Harness Home Campaign..

Lol!
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2008, 05:27:13 PM »

Its not just the beginner struggling in windsurfing, I (in the intermediate category) have my fair share of struggle too, when the wind picked up in storm or in the height of NE. A lot of us have much to learn at different stage of windsurfing.
I was asking Thye Hock for advise 2 weeks ago, regarding the type of board, sail, rigging, etc. Many a times (especially the beginners) we buy an equipment that is incompetible to our skill level, which is a pity for those who gave up this sport when the equipment throw them out, or even to suffer injuries (knee pain, back ache), not enjoying the good wind like the others.
I am very happy to know that Thye Hock is willing to conduct a clinic for us, if there is a small group interested like me. Thye can guide us thru' all aspects regarding equipments, gybing, rigging, etc, anything that we find lacking. I would like to get a group to start up if we can make the number, regardless of the skill level we are in. Please let me know if you are interested. Contact 98257276.
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2008, 05:03:14 PM »

Found this article written by Pat :
http://www.lbwindsurfing.com/2007/09/14/singapore-windsurfing/
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In July 07, midway through the southern hemisphere winter months, I went travelling through Asia which included a couple of weeks in Singapore where I visited my Sister and her family who moved there a few years ago. Like most mad windsurfers I had to check out the local windsurfing scene. I wandered on down to the East Coast where I was told that most of the sailing and windsurfing happened.

I came across the Peoples Association Sea Sports Club which is a fantastic facility set up on the shores of the East Coast of Singapore. This facility I was reliably informed, is provided by the Singapore Government as the vast majority of the population live in apartments and have limited storage spaces for windsurfing equipment.

Included in the facilities was a great board and rig storage racks as well as rigging, unrigging and hose down areas as well as a café and other usual club house facilities. While I sail at a great sailing club in Sydney Australia, Dobroyd Aquatic Club, the facilities were impressive.

Attached to the club is a windsurfing and kite surfing shop aptly called “The Windsurfing Shop”. The guys here are very friendly and welcomed me to what they said was the main sailing location in Singapore. I asked if they had rental gear and after some coaxing they said that they could rent me some free ride gear with an 8.5m2 sail. However, they also noted that there was more often than not much wind in Singapore.

I had not been sailing for some time (2 weeks) and was getting a little desperate for a fix, sailing fix that is, I said that I would be happy to rent the gear and would come back when there was some wind. I waited about for a while and chatted with some of the guys. We all looked out to the beautiful Singapore Straits, which has a huge amount of international shipping moving through it and willed the wind to come. But alas, it never really came. While chatting with the local guys they informed me that this is more often than not the case and that they get very little wind all year and when it does come, it is mostly associated with a storm and seems to pass through pretty quick. More often than not this means that the 10 – 15 knot wind is there for less than an hour and then blows itself out. After that it’s back to the usual pleasant 0 – 7 knot tropical breeze.

On a later day during my stay I returned in the hope of some breeze. I did much the same, sat about, chatted with some of the local guys and waited till there was wind which would pull my ample frame along on the rental free ride gear. Once again, the wind never really came with any great force. There was a brief 20 minute period however, where the breeze picked up and there was a great flurry of activity. People grabbed there pre rigged gear and hit the water. They all got the odd blast and then the wind fell away and it was back to bobbing about on short boards.

This is a familiar dance for many of us around the world who do not have the luxury of a Hawaii like all day 20 + knots wind. First you rig up, then you sit next to your gear and wait for the wind as the gear that you have is not suitable for light winds. While waiting you chat with your sailing mates, who like you are also waiting for enough wind to get the medium to high wind gear going. You compare gear, which is the latest and best looking, who has the newest sail or some other related toy. I call this the dance of delusion or more specifically the dance of a sport and industry going down the drain.

As an avid raceboarder, this looked like ideal longboard conditions and indeed I saw many longboards sitting in the racks of the wonderful government provided facilities. Included in this were Mistral One Designs, a range of Raceboards, 4 Lechners and even a few relatively new looking Konas. But alas they seemed to have the slalom bug and were experts at the dance of delusion.

I enquired as to why no one was using the longboard gear and was told the familiar story that “some guys use it from time to time, but we generally prefer the slalom gear” or the ever unintelligent “that stuff is not cool”. How could a sport and an industry let this happen when this is the conditions that the vast majority of people from around the world see on a regular basis. The phrase “killing the goose that laid the golden egg” seems appropriate here.

I left Singapore with many fond memories including the very friendly people at the Peoples Association Sea Sports Club with their fantastic facilities. However, it was also with a tinge of disappointment that there were no light wind boards being used in this fantastic predominantly light wind tropical sailing venue. Why was there no serenity sailing going on? Why had the Mistral One Designs collected cob webs? Why were the new Konas not out?
With the revival of longboards let’s hope that places like Singapore can again see that sailing longboards in light winds can be a heap of fun and is cool. Perhaps this is an ideal venue for a raceboard event – let’s reignite the flame in them again.
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Glad to see most of the one design are put into good use again.
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2008, 12:35:59 AM »

Lol.. The craze now is the RS:X.. Mistral.. Well.. Its facing a natural death..
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2008, 11:33:24 AM »

Many times a progressive windsurfer ask for a used setup that he can start with. IMO the best is to get him onto a board with centerboard because is easy to learn sailing in the harness and upwind to the start point  . But there is not many longboards around . Board could be heavy and not 'Cool'

What should I do ? 

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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2008, 02:07:19 AM »

Introduce the good old IMCO..

It still packs lots of punch in our condition..

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2008, 12:42:52 PM »

The sport is not going in the right direction. Last 6-8 years , Most brands are focusing on "SHORT"board without center board. Is easy to make and ship them. All PWA events, Windsurf magazines are showing picts of highwind sailing, pro sailors jumping off waves. Most of us have associated that is windsurfing but fail to see the fact living in Singapore and most places near the equator, we do not get good wind year round. They are recongizing this now after seeing the sports decline. Many are actively promoting LB sailing again.  Let's hope is not too late.

Look at all the best we have  from the late Kelly Chan to TC, IJ , Meng , Thye....... Uncles and Retirees. They have solid foundation sailing LB from the good old days. These give them ample TOW ( Time on water ) and have better opportunity to understand the wind, equipment , tunning ........ We are amazed how early they can plane, hold on to the same rig when wind pickup. Doing duck gybe on Formula and looping a LB. Is all back to their basic . At least the One Design are on the water again. NSC are training the new generation on BIC tecno. Those juniors on water are showing their confidence hooked in the harness and driving their board.

Looking at the newbies that got into the sport, They are very determined, you see them every wkend. Many are still slouging on short board not planing or planning as early, drifted downwind.  When the wind pickup another 2-3 knots, got overpowered. BTW getting a smaller rig does not solve this problem, An average sailor should be able to handle(plane) with the same rig in wind range +8-10 knots. Not sure how they ( and those given up ) will progress in 6 mths if they have sailed LB.

For any Newbies ( in Singapore ) if you are ready to purchase yr 1st new set , pls go for one that has a centerboard. Unfortunately there are not many 2nd hand around but at least get a board with plenty of volume and big fin. Do not be influenced by peers or turn off by the  weight. They do not look cool but if you wish to progress and windsurf. You need to start off with the proper equipment. Bluefinz as a equipment supplier have the role to play and will advocate that.

Windsurfing is fun with the right equipment.  This is what I have learnt teaching my 2 kids .

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2008, 03:21:41 PM »

LB gives one more TOW for sure, Meng and I started in early 80's on LB and move on to SB during the 90's but we soon realize that LB build firm foudation, before moving forward to formula Windsurfing (FW). Knowledge from LB and FW helps me adept to RSX quickly or any equipement. 

LB is great, it allows beginner to advance using the same equipment, testing the knowledge, skill and ability (KSA) of each individule sailor.

But to understanding the equipment, design and funtion one should 1) read catalog 2) Do research 3) Understand what condition the equipments are design to use 4) Learn to use the harness and 5) match equipment with nearest skill level achievable.



     
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2008, 10:26:44 AM »

Its not just the beginner struggling in windsurfing, I (in the intermediate category) have my fair share of struggle too, when the wind picked up in storm or in the height of NE. A lot of us have much to learn at different stage of windsurfing.
I was asking Thye Hock for advise 2 weeks ago, regarding the type of board, sail, rigging, etc. Many a times (especially the beginners) we buy an equipment that is incompetible to our skill level, which is a pity for those who gave up this sport when the equipment throw them out, or even to suffer injuries (knee pain, back ache), not enjoying the good wind like the others.
I am very happy to know that Thye Hock is willing to conduct a clinic for us, if there is a small group interested like me. Thye can guide us thru' all aspects regarding equipments, gybing, rigging, etc, anything that we find lacking. I would like to get a group to start up if we can make the number, regardless of the skill level we are in. Please let me know if you are interested. Contact 98257276.
Thanks.

Hi! Wsfing for few years back in sch, now would like to pick it up again.
is the clinic still on going?

Many thanks!
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2008, 12:48:42 AM »

Lol.. On as always.. Im sure every old bird there is willing to give a few pointers if you ask nicely..
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