PlancheMag board test report

[<Al>]

Report:
"I just received annual tested issue from PlancheMag, France.

HS is tested in FREERIDE section, 105-135 liters section.
Competitors are:
Bic technoE large,
Fanatic TT130,
JP Fr 129ES,
RRD avantride light M
HS wood version.

10 is the perfect score, 0 is the worst one.

Planning ability Bic 8, Fan 8, JP 9, RRD 7, HS 6  Highwind control Bic 8, Fan 7, JP 6, RRD 6, HS 6 Average speed Bic 7, Fan 8, JP 8, RRD 7, HS 8
Top end speed Bic 8, Fan 8, JP 8, RRD 8, HS 7 Upwind Bic 7, Fan 8, JP 8, RRD 7, HS 10
Handling Bic 9, Fan 7, JP 7, RRD 8, HS 5
Easy jibe Bic 9, Fan 7, JP 8, RRD 8, HS 5
Radical jibe Bic 9, Fan 5, JP 6, RRD 7, HS 4

Bic is the best considering friendly use, confort trough chop, stability. HS is the most physical to drive and has the lighest feeling."

[<Steve>]

Please also have a look at the review in BOARDS mag Jan/Feb issue. Very positive on the HS.

[sukhdev]

sail it. only way to tell. try it with different fins/sails. we have both 105 and 125 available for demo now.

[<Tested>]

Ai Yah, tested already, only so so - my $0.02.

[<Al>]

I tried the Hs 2 months ago and I completely share the report of PlancheMag:
a FREERIDE board, not even a very good one (except upwind-in this case HS is the best), and very physical to drive.
I hope the new HS on testing now will be better.

 

quote:Originally posted by sukhdev:
sail it. only way to tell. try it with different fins/sails. we have both 105 and 125 available for demo now.

[<Anon E Mouse>]

Tested, AL,

anonymous opinions on the internet are worth shit. Put your names to it and maybe we might read it. Dumpkoffs.

[<Al>]

PlancheMag is NOT a "anonymous opinions" and I completely share it.
What maybe you shouldn't trust or at least doubt is the opinion of the people connected with the selling of starboard product that is obviously (I don't blame them) too much involved to express a neutral estimation.

 

quote:Originally posted by <Anon E Mouse>:
Tested, AL,

anonymous opinions on the internet are worth shit. Put your names to it and maybe we might read it. Dumpkoffs.

[<Tested>]

Anon or who ever,

Of course $0.02 in your eyes is not worth much. Those who do not provide opinions, where opinions are requested are worth less than sh*t. What was your opinion(s) on the above mentioned boards again ??????????

Anonymous opinions and "Anon E Mouse" - pleeassseeee don't make me laugh. Poon-daik Poohboarz.

[sukhdev]

some stuff I copied from the starboard forum....

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Hi

I have been reading almost every post about HS in different forums the last weeks. It is significant that most of the kritic comes from peoples with interests in other brands, or people with an aversion against race, freeride and the hole philosofi of easy handling and new design af wide body boards.
BONC you wrote right out of my heart.

They start with some negative weak comments on the HS and then write positive about a board on that brands site. Look this one on Fanatics site.
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HS 125
Author: Masher (---.orlando-21-22rs.fl.dial-access.att.net)
Date: 03-02-03 13:08

Looks like Planche Mag didn't much like this novelty board either. Think back to the days of the speed needle... Man, I hope we as a sport don't lose too many more people because of this pipe-dream board.
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My comment is :

IF WE LOSE PEOPLE THEN IT IS YOUR, OR YOUR KIND OF PEOPLES FAULT !

Remember *GO, *W75, and the first formula ! We had to hear the same crap.
Thanks *board and now all other brands, windsurfing is now for almost everybody, not only for wave bashers and other ignorant peoples.

Do you sail AHD together with Tinho, or a guy hvo test boards, and dont like HS eather ?
The same 3-4 guys started their negative comments on several forums.
One negativ test of the HS counts more than 4 positive.
Compare HS on different days with different sails. A race sail on the AHD and no race sail on the HS, and the AHD GT 75 is better because they had the same speed ! Come on stop this BS.
No * GO in 1999 no AHD GT75 in 2003

I only have been windsurfing 2 years, so you ignorants are for sure better windsurfers. I have a GO 2000, W 75, * X186 and SKATE 100 and i sail in all conditions from 5 to 20+ m/s.
And i learnd one important thing in this short time - YOU HAVE TO SAIL EVERY BOARD WITH DIFFERENT TRIM AND DIFFERENT TECNICS.
It seems some have learnd nothing a lot of years.
You cant sail a formula(or HS) like a waveboard. Who is the new bee here ?
There is a new shape out there with new possibilities and it takes some practice, like in the beginning of Formula,

There are already some videos and different instruktion, how to gybe on the HS, on different sites.
Look at http://www.surfingsports.com/
2 different videos :
http://www.surfingsports.com/starboard_hypersonic.asp
some nice gybing, chop hop ... on the first, someone struggling on the second. It's the same board.

What about http://www.bluefinz.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000004

Respect each other, no matter you are a wave-, race-,freestylefreak or a recreational surfer.

LK

[<Al>]

I apologize for the length of the message but it's my last note on HS and an explanation on my position.

you wrote: "I have been reading almost every post about HS in different forums the last
weeks. It is significant that most of the kritic comes from peoples................."

"Kritic" in this case is not coming from people BUT from a SERIOUS windsurf magazine and
I don't see anything wrong if someone shares this opinion. I don't think these results represent the ideal board:
Planning ability - 6
Highwind control - 6
Average speed - 8
Top end speed - 7
Upwind - 10
Handling - 5
Easy jibe - 5
Radical jibe - 4
(plus - HS is the most physical to drive)

especially if you compare the sum of these results with the other freeride board:
Bic technoE large - 65
JP Fr 129ES - 60
Fanatic TT130 - 58
RRD avantride light M - 58
HS - 51

you wrote: "or people with an aversion against race, freeride and the hole philosofi of
easy handling"

I just remember you in what category the HS has been testing: FREERIDE (and
it's at the bottom between them) and HS has nothing to do with racing except
to build up is own class (but this you can even do with a "START" board)
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I think you misjudge my point of view. If you ask me about *GO, *board 175,
I  think I appreciate these boards as much as you do and I think if one day
we have a museum of windsurf, they MUST be there as a master piece. My opinion about *GO,
*board 175 is: the best thing happened to windsurf in the recent years. I
see people learn and enjoy windsurf in weeks when was months before the *GO.
But do you know ONE of the reason why these boards are so impressive?
Because people criticized them a lot.
For the same reason "Kritic" is on HS.
Again my opinion is: another wonderful idea but is not completely realized yet.
Give them some time and the next generation of HS will be as impressive as the
*GO, *board 175.

PS:  I have noticed a special interest to my private life (do you file all the participants to the forum?). Does it interest you so much to know about my habits, my family, how many times I go to bath and how much time I spend to read HyperComic Magazine?  Apart the interest that the forum could have about it, it's a very childish behavior and it strengthens the thesis that the matters of discussion to support the HS are limited. I don't think that going personal will make the HS going better or faster.

PS-2: On the other side, whatever you think, not only I have absolutely nothing against you (except the disagreement on HS), but I believe that Bluefinz is one (or even the) best Asia windsurfing website right now and you are doing a great job. You have opened a big window to all windsurfers in Asia and even if you ban me for my opinion, I will not stop to promote and support your website. You have taken a big responsibility as a collector of information to drive the winsurf in Asia at the top level. So keep your mind open (as they do in the other forum) and don't worry about the content of some messages. Trust me the worst thing can happen to a forum is: no messages, no discussion.

Hoping the wind returns soon so we can stay more time in the water than typing.

[<LK>]

Hi AI
From LK

I just found out that sukhdev has copyed my post from the Starboard forum to this diskussion.
Its ok for me, no problem with my privacy.
Are you complaining about me or sukhdev ?
I dont know why you write about your family, so it's the wrong forum. First you make a lot of noise, and when out of arguments you say 'its my last note on ... '
Do you want to se som personal stuff, look at the AHD forum.
I dont write the HS is the best board on the water.But write negative about a board, manipulate with facts and having a hidden agenda, i dont' like.I don' say it's you.

Now I show you something with your owen figures.

   BIC   FAN.   JP   RRD   HS

AV.SPEED 7   8   8   7   8
TOPEND    8   8   8   8   7
UPWIND    7   8   8   7   10
               
SUM   22   24   24   22   25
For keeping planning(you forgot) !!     10 !!!

So HS is def. the fastest board !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now the french joke :
           BIC   FAN.   JP   RRD   HS
Highwind    8   7   6   6   6
control

BIC the slowest board has the best highwindcontrol(LOW WINDCONTROL, my opinion), and HS THE FASTEST board pourest highwindcontrol !!!!!!!

Bad control for Fanatic, RRD AND JP, same like HS. In German Magasin result would have been JP 10 for beautiful lifely, sporty direct feeling, HS 9 and BIC 5(sucks). But in French Magasin BIC wins - DO YOU KNOW WHY - WE NOW WHY.

every slalom board whould have bad test in handling,easy jibe and control compaired to these freeriders(i assume they tested for freeride use - who knows), and every formula and bigger freerider lower score for radical jibing.

IS THE HS GOOD - I DID NOT RIDE IT YET, BUT AFTER THIS FANTASTIC TESTRESULT I CERTAINLY BUY ONE SOON.
And if somebody want to se a fast ride and a nice fast planning jibe, look at Ricardo's video on the HS.
There are still hidden some more positive things in this planchemark test. Can you see them ?
Maybe i point them out another day.

Its a good site, good forum,

Greatings from Europe to ALL of you !!!!

LK

[sukhdev]

Hi LK, my apologies for copying it from the starboard forum, your post was the most sensible i've seen in some time. Thanks for replying to it and thank you for being gracious enough to allow us to copy it.

[<Al>]

Obviously I'm not complaining about you. Why I should? I don't think report a test from a magazine is "a lot of noise". Instead noise was made by the people who didn't like it even to get interested and spreading out information about my personal life just, I hope, to substain their thesis about the HS. Trust me I'm not "out of arguments" about starboard and HS, opposite. But I don't see why Bluefinz and sukhdev should be involved. I respect a lot what he is doing for the windsurf in Asia. That's all.

About the board what to say. You are quite a good wizard. You should go on and on to remove part of the results (manipulate as you call it)of the test and limit it to the UPWIND: HS 10. So you can end up to say that the HS is the BEST board in the world and suggest everybody to buy it and go UPWIND......forever.
Let's bet the HS will be out of production in 6-7 months (maybe soon with *board standard of the recent years).
You are right to say that every winsurfing magazines, companies and dealers have is own interest in what they say, but don't forget that for CONSUMERs magazines are still a huge reference when it's time to buy.

"German Magasin result would have been" ...did you check what they said about HS on a report few months ago? Guess not.

[Nick Teo]

Bonjour to all my friends in Singapore!

Thought that I'll just add in something from the Planchemag that Al had missed out. In the category of planing ability HS had 2 scores; 6 (pour le depart) and 10 (pour le maintien). HS also scored 2 perfect 10s in the categories of 'physique' and 'légèreté' (according to my dictionary: légèreté means lightness). For the score of 10 for physique, I wonder what Planchemag meant because Al interpreted as the most phyical board to drive. But then the scoring would be contrary to all the others; 1 being the worst and 10 being the best.

Donc, HS may had scored a lower average than the rest but it is the only board to score 4 perfect 10s. As, for the rest of the conclusion, lets leave it to individuals who had sailed the board.

[<Al>]

So even if there is an extra 10 for KEEPING planing, I think that before keeping planning you have to START planing (or *board is a magic board??) and in this case it scores a "good" 6 compare with the 8 average of all other board.
Means everytime you tack or jybe you loose ground to get back planing.
But let's see the overall results with the new 10 score by HS:

Bic technoE large - 65
JP Fr 129ES - 60
Fanatic TT130 - 58
RRD avantride light M - 58
HS - 55

It's still the last FREERIDE board of the test. So your information is making the board even worst than we think because, even with a few perfect 10 score, is not able to avoid to be the last.