carve gybe

[jason]

hi sukhdev sorry for troubling u  again but
as some of us are trying the basic carve  gybe on a formua or shortboard would like to seek ur advice on this...watz the proper entry to a carve.
okie  when i  plan and decide to carve  i unhook,back feet out of strap and reel the board leewards but the problem is tt when the board turns midway or even before tt i  usually slow down,thus resulting in a failed attempt
watz the proper way of doing it?notice tt when i  reel the board it turns pretty fast so  do  i  lean my weight in the direction of the turn?or do i  just keep my wbody vertical while reeling?watz the exit procedure like?
thankz

[<slow/fast..its relati]

Hi Jas

I am not trying to be mean. I have so far not seen anyone plan through their gybe in PA. I am not sure about other club. They always stall at the time when they flip the sail. I suppose the trick is to flip the sail as early as possible. This is not easy as perfect timing and guts are involved. The sad thing is that they think that they can do carve gybe. If you have a chance to watch Rob Hartman video then u will know what is a planing formula gybe. I reckon that there are less than 5 loacally who can plan through the gybe.

[sukhdev]

Jas, gybing is one of windsurfing's biggest challenges. Its in a way not as hard as it seems, more that very few people are willing to learn it progressively.

First of all learn to carve. This does not mean actually doing the gybe. Stay in the straps, unhook, and make a HUGE  "S" curve through the water. It must be a clear S shape and it must be big. Repeat this time and time again until you can vary both the size and length of the S. If you can't do this, forget carve gybing.

As for the actual carve, below is a picture sequence I did. I shot a series of 5 pictures of my oldest windsurfing buddy George Warren carve gybing the hypersonic in Kuantan on Jan 1st and used Photoshop to create the composite picture below. He is in his 50s now and has incredible speed and technique (clocked doing 32knots in an event).
I will describe the move below the picture.

     
George Warren 1/1/03 Starboard Hypersonic + Sailworks Retro 2003 7.5

wind is clean sideshore, left to right.

(1) he is setting up, unhooking and sheeting in hard to get max power out of sail

(2) turning into the gybe, weight balanced, rig held up to expose it to the wind to keep power through the turn

(3) almost dead downwind, he begins the sail flip

(4) keeping the mast upright and close to his face, he completes the rig flip while switching his feet at the same time

(5) Grabs the rig on the other side, bends down really LOW to keep control, starts to get front foot into the strap, planing out on to a broad reach to pick up speed.

Thats a lovely effective gybe, nothing showy or flashy, a good entry, controlled turn, and powerful exit.Note how his body is balanced, not too far forward nor is he leaning back.

Biggest mistakes in gybing are:
- not making a clean carve
- leaning back during the carve
- flipping the sail too late.
- lastly, most dont commit to the gybe. Gybing is PHYSICAL, go into it full force, don't wimp out.

So, if this 50+ guy can do them, you young guys better do even nicer ones        

George and me have been windsurfing since 1980..god..thats forever..thats before some of you were born!!

pardon the dim light in the picture, it was geting late when this was taken.
 
 [ 05. January 2003, 01:27 AM: Message edited by: sukhdev ]

[jason]

hey thankz for the advice once again
think learning how to carve first is a good suggestion
thankz for the graphic explanation too

[SurfShark]

Hi Sukhdev, u said to try craving out a big S path to learn how to carve, do we do it with both feet in the straps? or jus the front feet in the straps?

[sukhdev]

try it with both feet in the straps first. This will teach you how to pressure the hull and judge the turn. If you make a small squiggly turn it will mean you are not pressuring enough. If you make too big a turn you will end up so far downwind that the sail has no power in it.

You need to play with the turns so that you can make a smooth sweeping turn downwind and then turn back upwind. Its not as easy as it sounds but this is the very basis of carve gybing. If you can't carve, how can you carve gybe right?

[SurfShark]

Roger that ... will practise once i get the chance over the weekend! Thanks for the help!

[sukhdev]

You guys may want to gang up and get this video:

http://www.gaastra.com/sails/video_order/index.html

its probably the best i've seen on gybing. I used to have a copy but someone hijacked it.

[matrix]

quote:Originally posted by <slow/fast..its relative>:
Hi Jas

I am not trying to be mean. I have so far not seen anyone plan through their gybe in PA. I am not sure about other club. They always stall at the time when they flip the sail. I suppose the trick is to flip the sail as early as possible. This is not easy as perfect timing and guts are involved. The sad thing is that they think that they can do carve gybe. If you have a chance to watch Rob Hartman video then u will know what is a planing formula gybe. I reckon that there are less than 5 loacally who can plan through the gybe.

ther r definitely more than 5 sailors in sgp tat can do tat.

PA
Andrew Decha, Thye, Boo(PA Manager)

ECSC
Meng, TC, Enghow(Howie), Vincent Cowboy

one more chap from PA, using slalom equipment, who can execute very nice laydown gybes,he did well in the last tudor, cannot recall his name liao

[<sloe/fast..its relati]

Hi matrix

Thank you for the feedback.

I know some of them.

I am just being curious, i thought sukhdev should be among them.

I have not seen them plan through the gybe. It might be due to the reason that when i observed them, the wind was either too strong or too weak.
I have seen how they been wiped out during strong wind. Most of them have their boards stalled when they fip the sails. It looked as though they have planed through the gybe b'cose they pump up to the plan at the new tack so quickly. If you watch the planing gybe video and compare it to their gybe you will know what I mean. Sincerely, I am not trying to be mean. Do you notice that those planning gybe pictures provided by Sukhdev was not taken in Singapore but in Kuantan.

The slalom guy you menationed is quite good. I heard that he can forward loop ( probably the only one in Singapore) at oversea windsurfing locations. I have seen him executing a lay down gybe and duck gybe before. Unfortunately ,i do not think that he planned through those gybe.

[SurfShark]

forward loop?? unbelievable .... i would wanna see a lion-hearted singaporean windsurfer attempts it in our local waters ... would really make my day!

[<Stealth>]

He's on AHD power wave.6.2 gastra.I've seen him
done it a dozen times in our east coast.My hats to him for his Balls of steel.